Comments on: US and UK murder – rate and weapon http://fleshisgrass.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/us-and-uk-murder-rate-and-weapon/ The record. Tue, 29 Dec 2009 00:22:24 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Lewis http://fleshisgrass.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/us-and-uk-murder-rate-and-weapon/#comment-8979 Lewis Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:58:38 +0000 http://fleshisgrass.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/us-and-uk-murder-rate-and-weapon/#comment-8979 Just a little correction. Often in this post the the abbreviation UK and and country England are used as if they are interchangeable. The UK consists of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. Scotland and England are both indivudual Kingdoms and the Dunblane shootings occured in Dunblane, Scotland. Just a little correction. Often in this post the the abbreviation UK and and country England are used as if they are interchangeable. The UK consists of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. Scotland and England are both indivudual Kingdoms and the Dunblane shootings occured in Dunblane, Scotland.

]]> By: Elliott Bettman MD http://fleshisgrass.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/us-and-uk-murder-rate-and-weapon/#comment-8781 Elliott Bettman MD Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:14:25 +0000 http://fleshisgrass.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/us-and-uk-murder-rate-and-weapon/#comment-8781 There is racism and reverse racism. But it is segregation that CAUSED all the crime and blight. In my native Detroit, whites left after WW2 b/c the freeways and VA home loans made it easy to build new homes with big lots out in the burbs. US is only about 10% black but hoods like Detroit Newark and whole sections of Chicago LA and NY are african american. If we just integrated the cities or gave subsidized housing scattered in the suburbs (Wayne Oakland Macomb) county of the Detroit area there would BE no black majority, black mayors, black juries or congressional black caucus. Also noone would live in a deep Ghetto. HIspanics?? that's another issue There is racism and reverse racism. But it is segregation that CAUSED all the crime and blight. In my native Detroit, whites left after WW2 b/c the freeways and VA home loans made it easy to build new homes with big lots out in the burbs. US is only about 10% black but hoods like Detroit Newark and whole sections of Chicago LA and NY are african american. If we just integrated the cities or gave subsidized housing scattered in the suburbs (Wayne Oakland Macomb) county of the Detroit area there would BE no black majority, black mayors, black juries or congressional black caucus. Also noone would live in a deep Ghetto. HIspanics?? that’s another issue

]]> By: fleshisgrass http://fleshisgrass.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/us-and-uk-murder-rate-and-weapon/#comment-8780 fleshisgrass Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:43:57 +0000 http://fleshisgrass.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/us-and-uk-murder-rate-and-weapon/#comment-8780 h, are you suggesting getting rid of black people from America, or just black criminals. Do white criminals get to stay? I can't work out what you're after. h, are you suggesting getting rid of black people from America, or just black criminals. Do white criminals get to stay?

I can’t work out what you’re after.

]]> By: fleshisgrass http://fleshisgrass.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/us-and-uk-murder-rate-and-weapon/#comment-8779 fleshisgrass Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:37:41 +0000 http://fleshisgrass.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/us-and-uk-murder-rate-and-weapon/#comment-8779 "Take out black crime" How, h? We're all in this together - that's the point. “Take out black crime”

How, h? We’re all in this together – that’s the point.

]]> By: h http://fleshisgrass.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/us-and-uk-murder-rate-and-weapon/#comment-8777 h Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:32:54 +0000 http://fleshisgrass.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/us-and-uk-murder-rate-and-weapon/#comment-8777 fleshisgrass said, "Jimbob, es, what you argue here is racist." I hate when people say such stupid comments. If what he said is a statistical fact then it is a statistical fact. It has nothing to do with being racist. Facts are facts and you can hide behind saying something is racist but, you are not solving anything by hiding the facts. Take out black crime and you will see how our crime rate drops. Too bad it is that way because if effects so much. White flight comes to mind and that also adds to our energy consumption because whites are driving their SUV's much further to avoid the gun fire. Sad but true. This black crime has huge impacts on all kind of things. I think people need to stop thinking it is racist to state facts and that will help in fighting the problem. I wish there was an easy solution but, there isn't. fleshisgrass said, “Jimbob, es, what you argue here is racist.”

I hate when people say such stupid comments. If what he said is a statistical fact then it is a statistical fact. It has nothing to do with being racist. Facts are facts and you can hide behind saying something is racist but, you are not solving anything by hiding the facts. Take out black crime and you will see how our crime rate drops. Too bad it is that way because if effects so much. White flight comes to mind and that also adds to our energy consumption because whites are driving their SUV’s much further to avoid the gun fire. Sad but true. This black crime has huge impacts on all kind of things. I think people need to stop thinking it is racist to state facts and that will help in fighting the problem. I wish there was an easy solution but, there isn’t.

]]> By: dieselfrombacteria http://fleshisgrass.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/us-and-uk-murder-rate-and-weapon/#comment-8707 dieselfrombacteria Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:08:33 +0000 http://fleshisgrass.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/us-and-uk-murder-rate-and-weapon/#comment-8707 Thanks fleshisgrass, really stimulating topic (obviously!). Your initial stats aren't a truly 'fair' comparison - but then again, I'm struggling to find two states/ countries that define crimes the same way! Your numbers are at least indicative. This whole area raises another point. There's a fundamental issue here with elected representatives controlling the categorisation of crimes - they're always after short-termist PR stories, and manifesto pledges have to be met, even if that means massaging statistics or redefining crimes altogether. That's one sentiment from the more right wing posters on this blog that I can sympathise with - never trust your government! That does not mean I endorse holding a gun to their heads btw. One correlation that everyone seems to be agreeing with (remarkably) on these comments is the link between illegal drugs and gun crime. This then leads to arguments around the possibility of legalising drugs to remove them from the equation. I don't want to go down that route - this is more of an info request. Has anyone has come across any data that strips out violent crime around specific drugs by country? What is the 'most violent' drug? I've not been able to find data for Holland's experience - it'd be interesting to see if once you legalise certain drugs you find a significant drop in violence associated with it or not. Thanks fleshisgrass, really stimulating topic (obviously!). Your initial stats aren’t a truly ‘fair’ comparison – but then again, I’m struggling to find two states/ countries that define crimes the same way! Your numbers are at least indicative. This whole area raises another point.
There’s a fundamental issue here with elected representatives controlling the categorisation of crimes – they’re always after short-termist PR stories, and manifesto pledges have to be met, even if that means massaging statistics or redefining crimes altogether. That’s one sentiment from the more right wing posters on this blog that I can sympathise with – never trust your government! That does not mean I endorse holding a gun to their heads btw.
One correlation that everyone seems to be agreeing with (remarkably) on these comments is the link between illegal drugs and gun crime. This then leads to arguments around the possibility of legalising drugs to remove them from the equation. I don’t want to go down that route – this is more of an info request.
Has anyone has come across any data that strips out violent crime around specific drugs by country? What is the ‘most violent’ drug?
I’ve not been able to find data for Holland’s experience – it’d be interesting to see if once you legalise certain drugs you find a significant drop in violence associated with it or not.

]]> By: newcentrist http://fleshisgrass.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/us-and-uk-murder-rate-and-weapon/#comment-8704 newcentrist Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:52:20 +0000 http://fleshisgrass.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/us-and-uk-murder-rate-and-weapon/#comment-8704 I realize there are a wide variety of liberals out there. That's why I qualified the term with the words "knee-jerk" as opposed to moderate liberal, centrist liberal or thoughtful liberal. I realize there are a wide variety of liberals out there. That’s why I qualified the term with the words “knee-jerk” as opposed to moderate liberal, centrist liberal or thoughtful liberal.

]]> By: fleshisgrass http://fleshisgrass.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/us-and-uk-murder-rate-and-weapon/#comment-8703 fleshisgrass Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:38:16 +0000 http://fleshisgrass.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/us-and-uk-murder-rate-and-weapon/#comment-8703 You know, I saw "NeoCon" and thought to myself "I don't like it when people bandy around that term". Generalisations feed off generalisations. So, herewith, the mammoth interview Alan Johnson conducted with Joshuah Muravchik in Democratiya. It doesn't address the issue of divorce, but it will serve to atone for my passivity in the light of this generalisation of Elliot's, despite the fact it made me uncomfortable at the time. Let nobody use 'neocon' as a coded insult again. http://www.democratiya.com/interview.asp?issueid=11 I have to say NC, though, you are using Liberal in much the same way. You know, I saw “NeoCon” and thought to myself “I don’t like it when people bandy around that term”.

Generalisations feed off generalisations. So, herewith, the mammoth interview Alan Johnson conducted with Joshuah Muravchik in Democratiya. It doesn’t address the issue of divorce, but it will serve to atone for my passivity in the light of this generalisation of Elliot’s, despite the fact it made me uncomfortable at the time. Let nobody use ‘neocon’ as a coded insult again.

http://www.democratiya.com/interview.asp?issueid=11

I have to say NC, though, you are using Liberal in much the same way.

]]> By: newcentrist http://fleshisgrass.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/us-and-uk-murder-rate-and-weapon/#comment-8702 newcentrist Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:59:29 +0000 http://fleshisgrass.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/us-and-uk-murder-rate-and-weapon/#comment-8702 To explain, you come across incredibly rude, arrogant and uniformed especially the comment re: "neocons". Most neoconservatives recognize the reality of divorce in the U.S. and are not opposed to it on principle. Out of wedlock births are another matter. Most neocons are critical of this. But divorce? You must be thinking of palecons and other so-called traditionalists. But it's no surprise that a knee-jerk liberal like yourself would lump the two together. To explain, you come across incredibly rude, arrogant and uniformed especially the comment re: “neocons”. Most neoconservatives recognize the reality of divorce in the U.S. and are not opposed to it on principle. Out of wedlock births are another matter. Most neocons are critical of this. But divorce? You must be thinking of palecons and other so-called traditionalists. But it’s no surprise that a knee-jerk liberal like yourself would lump the two together.

]]> By: newcentrist http://fleshisgrass.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/us-and-uk-murder-rate-and-weapon/#comment-8701 newcentrist Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:56:14 +0000 http://fleshisgrass.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/us-and-uk-murder-rate-and-weapon/#comment-8701 Elliott, I feel sorry for your patients. If you actually have any. Elliott, I feel sorry for your patients. If you actually have any.

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